Wednesday, November 10, 2010

dodgy statistics from ash scotland



The BBC has news that ASH Scotland has guesstimated the costs that smoking puts on the Scottish economy. It's an amusing report because it contradicts itself in its convoluted effort to brand smoking as evil.
Ms Duffy said the cost of smoking was greater than the money received from tobacco duties, stating: "The Scottish government estimates it receives £940m in tobacco-specific duty, leaving a deficit of at least £129m.
Just as with alcohol duty and fuel duty VAT is demanded on tobacco duty. To calculate the duty plus VAT at the current rate of 17.5% we multiply by 1.175 so £940m x 1.175 = £1104.5m or in plain English smoking has a minuscule impact on productivity as the estimated costs and the actual revenue are almost identical. It may even have a positive impact.

So how is this £1.1bn cost to the Scottish economy figure arrived at? "smoking breaks, absenteeism among smokers and the lost output due to early deaths totalled more than £692m" So non-smokers don't have breaks, aren't absent and never die young from non-smoking related illness? I wonder if that figure includes the savings made in later life care and pension payments that would inevitably have to be made to a longer living population?

Looking for more information I headed over to the ASH Scotland website and after failing spectacularly to discover more coverage of this story I did discover a page dedicated to Workplace and Productivity which has a link to a study published in the BMJ on the Costs of employee smoking in the workplace in Scotland. A telephone survey of 200 businesses, of which 167 responded, which was carried out in 1996 almost 10 years before the Scottish smoking ban was introduced seems to be the source of this information. Only companies employing 50 or more people were surveyed. Small business which employs 88.6% of people in the UK [ONS] wasn't ever asked.

The study does answer my earlier question as to whether future health care costs have been included
It has been postulated that health care cost savings may not be realised if smoking rates fall, since smokers tend to have a lower life expectancy and therefore consume fewer health care resources in later life. Research findings across countries have differed, although when future health care costs are discounted (future costs given progressively a lower weight), smokers' life time health care expenditures have generally outweighed non-smokers.
[translation] "we didn't like the results so we fucked about with the statistics to give us results that suited our purpose" and also the accuracy of the figures
It is clear from this study that there is a limited research base from which to make precise estimates.
[translation] "we made it all up" but then that doesn't matter when you have specific targets does it? The end justifies the means when you are waging a war against smoking.

11 comments:

Mark Wadsworth said...

"To calculate the duty plus VAT at the current rate of 17.5% we multiply by 1.175"

Unless different rules apply in Scotland, that is not how we do it.

VAT is on everything, not just the duty element.

manwiddicombe said...

Hi MW!

I admit I didn't check the VAT rules for Scotland but my brief searches indicate that the rules are applied across the whole UK.

The reason I singled out the duty element is that the ASH report focuses solely on how much revenue the duty element of tobacco raises for Scotland. As VAT on tobacco is a tax on the duty it seemed appropriate to highlight the extra revenue that generated.

Dick Puddlecote said...

And, as usual, they ignore pension saving and afford no value to the pleasure gained from smoking, which could be argued to be the money forgone by the consumer in buying the product.

Yes, ASH's report is total rot, isn't it? Still, it'll fool thick as shit MSPs easy enough.

Nice research, MW. :)

James Higham said...

Lost output due to death. Like that one.

Anonymous said...

I'm at an utter loss as to which is more sickening.

My taxes being funneled to fakes like Duffy, or me paying the license fee so some other cunt can copy and paste their shit to me.

I'm totally fucked TWICE over!

timbone said...

"Lost output due to death. Like that one."

Yes, so do I James.

"I only have three months to live"
"How very dare you, you are only 55, you have at least ten years productivity"
"But I am on incapacity"
"What is wrong with you?"
"I have an ingrowing toenail which became infected and it was caught too late because the NHS couldn't see me in time so now I am going to die"
"Do you smoke?"
"Yes"

You see? It is easy.

Belinda said...

Isn't VAT a tax on any business taking income from selling the product (rather than on the duty)?

manwiddicombe said...

Hi Belinda.

Where the government applies duty to a product such as fuel, alcohol or tobacco, it then requires the business selling that product to calculate the VAT for the total price of the product, duty and all. In those instances the VAT element of the total price becomes partially a tax on a tax. The retailer does not distinguish between the duty element of the cost and the production element of the cost; VAT is applied to the total cost.

The reason this is important to note in this particular case is the way that ASH Scotland have ignored the VAT revenue from tobacco sales. By quoting the £940m revenue from tobacco duty alone they fail to acknowledge that that duty will also raise an extra £164.5m in VAT. Which kind of ruins their argument as the total revenue generated is more than the losses they claim tobacco causes.

Belinda said...

Got it! thanks. Just posted this: http://f2cscotland.blogspot.com/2010/11/ash-scotlands-barmy-tax-calculations.html

manwiddicombe said...

Excellent!

I've added your blog to the bogroll in the sidebar .. .. ..

Belinda said...

Thanks, have added yours too.